Question on Thunder

• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-04-15 15:49

  Quote from Fumy;4046:

  Doing Weaving right now (almost r4) once I reach r1 I'll have 333 dex. After that I'm gonna get Metallurgy from r8 to r6 and I'll have 335 dex than I'll be finishing Mirage Missile, Counter Attack, Playing Instrument, Tailoring and Handicraft. I should have 370+ dex. Once FS gets uncapped I should have 400+ dex.

  
  :gloom: Something is really wrong with my stats, or maybe the levels matter (current level 31 because I was busy ranking enchant)....
  
  One more thing, what age is your character usually at?
• Fumy wrote on 2010-04-15 15:51
  Age 10 because I used to weekly rb. But right now I'm in Thailand and dunno how to get NX so she's 12 years old and I'm not leveling cuz I'm busy with life skills and feeding my ego
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-04-15 16:03

  Quote from Fumy;4052:

  Age 10 because I used to weekly rb. But right now I'm in Thailand and dunno how to get NX so she's 12 years old and I'm not leveling cuz I'm busy with life skills and feeding my ego

  
  I see...that explains how there is a lot of dex. My character is usually age 17 because I can't afford to weekly rebirth (and also even if I could afford it, that's too tiring for me with all the life skills to handle).
• Fumy wrote on 2010-04-15 16:06

  Quote from Yogurticecream;4056:

  I see...that explains how there is a lot of dex. My character is usually age 17 because I can't afford to weekly rebirth (and also even if I could afford it, that's too tiring for me with all the life skills to handle).

  
  
  Yea I know what you're talking about... Life skills T.T well I'm gonna tell you how much dex I have when I rb on monday for reference. Well just got weaving r4 :D
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-04-15 16:11

  Quote from Fumy;4058:

  Yea I know what you're talking about... Life skills T.T well I'm gonna tell you how much dex I have when I rb on monday for reference. Well just got weaving r4 :D

  
  I'll be sure to note that and compare with the next rebirth stats when I rebirth to age 17 next week. (Along with calculations for age bonuses)
  Grats on weaving r4 =)
• Chihaya wrote on 2010-04-18 21:07

  Quote from Fumy;3983:

  I easily get a lot more than that with just spaming Magnum... Not worth the MP pots if that's all you can do with r6 thunder :S

  
  
  Even with r1 magnum shot that crits and causes splash dmg, Thunder is better
  First of all, the chances of crits are really not that high; capped at 30%. Second, Mag has a chance of "miss", so you can't really get 10-13 BIG STARS consistently. 3rd, you're basically screwed when 3-5 hobgoblins jump on the boat with others firing magic at you; better to take them down at once
  
  I've personally never seen an elf using mag in Rafting; they use more of Thunder or even Fireball and IS. Even with total level OVER 9000!!!!, it'll be quite difficult for an elf to get that many stars in rafting.
• Nyo wrote on 2010-04-18 21:32
  I think I started rafting more often when my thunder was able to hit 3 targets at the initial charge (rank 6). Rank 1 is definitely the best, though. Aiming for at least 16 stars per stop, I rarely have to use any potions with a huge mana pool, transformations, and visits to the mana tunnel in the daytime.
• Yogurticecream wrote on 2010-04-18 21:46

  Quote from Nyo;9162:

  I think I started rafting more often when my thunder was able to hit 3 targets at the initial charge (rank 6). Rank 1 is definitely the best, though. Aiming for at least 16 stars per stop, I rarely have to use any potions with a huge mana pool, transformations, and visits to the mana tunnel in the daytime.

  
  How much mana do you have?
• Fumy wrote on 2010-04-19 01:57

  Quote from Joyjason;9128:

  Even with r1 magnum shot that crits and causes splash dmg, Thunder is better
  First of all, the chances of crits are really not that high; capped at 30%. Second, Mag has a chance of "miss", so you can't really get 10-13 BIG STARS consistently. 3rd, you're basically screwed when 3-5 hobgoblins jump on the boat with others firing magic at you; better to take them down at once
  
  I've personally never seen an elf using mag in Rafting; they use more of Thunder or even Fireball and IS. Even with total level OVER 9000!!!!, it'll be quite difficult for an elf to get that many stars in rafting.

  
  
  1st I don't need to crit to kill em with splash dmg
  2nd Sure it can miss but chances of missing at 99% are really low don't you think so?
  3rd You can stay out of range and ever heard of Windmill? :3
• Chihaya wrote on 2010-04-19 13:09

  Quote from Fumy;9869:

  1st I don't need to crit to kill em with splash dmg
  2nd Sure it can miss but chances of missing at 99% are really low don't you think so?
  3rd You can stay out of range and ever heard of Windmill? :3

  
  
  If you're an elf (which i really hope you are for the mag shot charge decrease, your wm will be nerfed. On the other hand, if you ARE a human, your mag shot will be hard to fire cause of its longer charge time. Also, mag shot takes a long time to aim; with the aiming speed increasing logarithmically (increasing fast at first, but becoming slower) so even with r1 range, it's most beneficial to fire it at 60-70%, or you're wasting too much time. That's when you can miss.
  
  In the end, Thunder is beneficial because of its 100% hit rate and multi-targetting feature. As i've said, i've NEVER seen an elf use magnum shot on rafting in Tarlach, so if you can post a video, I think your argument can be plausible.
  
  P.S. I realized that even lag can be a factor.
  
  P.P.S. Yes, i know of windmill, i'm one of the few people in Tarlach who even bothered to take the Dan 3 tests:srsly?:
• Fumy wrote on 2010-04-19 13:13

  Quote from Joyjason;10422:

  If you're an elf (which i really hope you are for the mag shot charge decrease, your wm will be nerfed. On the other hand, if you ARE a human, your mag shot will be hard to fire cause of its longer charge time. Also, mag shot takes a long time to aim; with the aiming speed increasing logarithmically (increasing fast at first, but becoming slower) so even with r1 range, it's most beneficial to fire it at 60-70%, or you're wasting too much time. That's when you can miss.
  
  In the end, Thunder is beneficial because of its 100% hit rate and multi-targetting feature. As i've said, i've NEVER seen an elf use magnum shot on rafting in Tarlach, so if you can post a video, I think your argument can be plausible.
  
  P.S. I realized that even lag can be a factor

  
  
  I've been rafting with a few mages (rF-r5 Thunder) and I always got more kills. I'm not saying Thunder won't be better at lets say r1 but rafting with Magnum is cheaper (No MP pots) and you can get enough kills for Common Leather/Iron Ingots with 3-4 People without spending money on MP pots.
• Chihaya wrote on 2010-04-19 13:26

  Quote from Fumy;10426:

  I've been rafting with a few mages (rF-r5 Thunder) and I always got more kills.

  
  
  Screenshot/Video is requested =P
  Here's mine; my friend had rD while I had r6.
  

  [Image: http://i41.tinypic.com/2uol2zd.jpg]
• EndlessDreams wrote on 2010-04-20 00:46

  Quote from Fumy;10426:

  I've been rafting with a few mages (rF-r5 Thunder) and I always got more kills. I'm not saying Thunder won't be better at lets say r1 but rafting with Magnum is cheaper (No MP pots) and you can get enough kills for Common Leather/Iron Ingots with 3-4 People without spending money on MP pots.

  
  
  Is that 3-4 people without killing anything and at per stop?
• 21993 wrote on 2010-04-20 00:52
  Rank 1 Thunder is the best! 1 Charge will kill 4, which is the number of monsters per wave (standard)
• Chihaya wrote on 2010-04-20 21:37

  Quote from Fumy;10426:

  I'm not saying Thunder won't be better at lets say r1 but rafting with Magnum is cheaper (No MP pots) and you can get enough kills for Common Leather/Iron Ingots with 3-4 People without spending money on MP pots.

  
  
  I also don't spend money on MP potions either =P
  I just get mana herbs (i get 20 or 30 if i'm lucky) each run, and I use that to make my own potions. I use around 7-8 MP100s, so with one run dedicated to mana herbs, I can get 3 runs dedicated to iron ingots (30 or 40 each run)
  
  Fumy, your argument that Magnum is better in ANY sense is flawed from the beginning. It really seems like you never experienced the power of Thunder in rafting yourself. Please rank Thunder to r6, raft a few times with mana potions, then come back to this thread to clearly state that Magnum Shot is better than Thunder